//Breaking//: Zayn Malik has signed with RCA.

This isn't normally something I'd cover. We don't write news items even that often that aren't our interviews but we just got word of something that began to slowly break last night. Zayn Malik who was the first member to part ways with currently the world's most successful group, One Direction, has announced that he has signed to RCA Records to release his debut solo record. A little friend named Simon Cowell approves of the decision as well. As we know, he was the mentor of the boys while they were discovered on X Factor.

This is all the information we have to give to you now, but more is sure to come and we'll keep you updated!
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Sheppard speaks Geronimo, touring in the states and future plans!

This next interview is with a band that jumped on our radars in the US when they opened for Meghan Trainor. Their first tour in the US was only a few months ago but already the band is making an incredibly impressive name for themselves. They are currently on their first headlining run where I was able to catch up with them at the second date of the tour. I spoke to siblings Amy and George a few hours before their show and spoke everything you need to know about Sheppard!

Their debut single ‘Geronimo’ has already 19.5 million plays on Youtube as well as the song being streamed almost 140 million times on Spotify. With appearances on Ellen, Jimmy Fallon and the Today show as well as performing on the Radio Disney awards, the band is sure to explode. The record has only been out for a few months here in the states so if their experience here is any indication of future success to come, we are sure to be seeing their name everywhere. Read on for our new interview with the guys!

I know this is your first headlining run in the states. Maybe the three things you must have with you? I know you’ve only done one show so far but you were recently here with Meghan Trainor on your first tour.

Amy: The three things you must take with you? A neck pillow for all the travel. I get so irate when I realize I left my neck pillow. I get very angry.

George: Headphones as well. You need music to accompany you on these long arduous journeys.

Amy: And you just, need coffee all the time.

Perfect, and then I know this is only the second date. It’s a pretty short run that you’re doing. I think it’s only about two weeks but you were here really recently. Maybe how did last night go? Maybe do you have any like goals or expectations for this little US run?

Amy: Yeah we’re really excited to see you know how many people actually come out. To see what songs people know besides ‘Geronimo’.

George: We just finished five weeks in Europe. It’s some of the best crowds we’ve ever played to. We did all these amazing festivals. Like Amy was just saying, it was really interesting to see the crowds singing along to every single song and not just waiting for the last two which is really cool. So hopefully the US audiences will be the same.

Amy: Yeah I feel like in previous times we’ve visited we only had ‘Geronimo’ out. ‘Bombs Away’ was out when Meghan was here but now I feel like people are going to know the album a bit better. Yeah we should get a good reaction out here.

Then I wanted to ask just from my research, I know ‘Bombs Away’ it came out here really recently but you have had that record out for a while internationally.

Amy: Yeah it first got released in Australia a year ago.

A year ago so maybe even though it’s so new here, are you even like thinking about writing new music or are you going to hold off a little bit? Kind of ride it out and see how it goes?

Amy: Yes, definitely. We’re going back in August, back home to head into the studio and start writing. We’ve been touring this album for a year now and we’ve been working on the album for like four years altogether. So we’re ready to yeah start conceptualizing the next album. At least feeling out which direction we want to go.

Then I know three of you are siblings. The two of you and your sister Emma. So maybe how long has this record been in the making? Was it something that you started writing once you decided to form Sheppard or was there songs that maybe you each had had collectively before you started the group?

George: It was more of the collective pooling of songs that we had from over the last sort of three or four years.

Amy: I mean ‘Geronimo’ was one of the ones that we wrote for the album, like all three of us together so that was really cool. What came out so I’m really excited for us all to sit down the three of us and yeah see what comes out next time.

George: But yeah, the first album, we didn’t start the band intending on making this album. It was sort of we just kind of wrote songs over the course of time as we kept on sort of climbing. We decided that it would be best to release an album and had all of these songs in the back catalog that we were kind of cherry picking. It will be interesting with this next release and actually going in with the objective of making an album. It will be a new experience for us. I can’t wait.

And you talked about how ‘Geronimo’ was one of the ones you all wrote together but you all kind of had your own ideas. Do you think for this album, maybe it’s going to be more collaborative? Obviously you do have a large band with you. Do you think it’s going to be like all of you in the studio. Still bringing in your own individual ideas. What do you think it’s maybe going to be like?

Amy: Yeah so there’s three songwriters. So we definitely want to discuss what direction we want to go in first because with ‘Bombs Away’, it was a bit of a stab in the dark. We had so many songs to choose from. We just kind of picked the best of the bunch. Where as for this one, we want to have a direction.

George: Bit more cohesion.

Amy: Yeah, that’s the right word. A bit more cohesion. Yeah we want to develop it a bit further. We want people to realize that we’ve grown as artists and songwriters.

George: We want to make it a bit more organic.

Amy: Yeah we don’t want to produce something very similar to ‘Bombs Away’. We still want to be able to have people recognize us as Sheppard still but we want to have a little bit of a change. Bit of growth.

George: Yeah we want to be a sort of band that grows with every release. Suprises the fans with every subsequent album. Reinvent yourself.

Then maybe for each of you for a softer one, the first CD or cassette you can remember getting as a kid? Then the first concert you ever went to?

George: The Lion King soundtrack. That was my first. I got it for Christmas. I had that on repeat for about a year. Hakuna Matata!

Amy: I think mine was Aqua. I set out to find that record in Australia and I found it and I listened to it for years.

George: My first ever concert was Tom Jones. I was at boarding school and mom and dad took me out to see Tom Jones. People were throwing their bras at him or whatever they do. Underpants! I thought it was bizarre. I was like thirteen.

Amy: Mine was the Black Eyed Peas when I was fourteen and I thought I was so cool. I still have the ticket.

Then maybe, I’ve been doing this for a few years and I’ve interviewed a lot of Australian bands that come here and I know it’s incredibly expensive to come tour the US with all the visas and everything. Maybe what’s been the best part of touring here and if there is one, the biggest challenge?

George: Well, I guess the best part is obviously connecting with people over here. We’ve been given the opportunity to be able to come and experience this amazing country. It’s a huge country. When you look at it on the map it’s pretty big but then when you actually come here and see the amount of people that are here and the amount of different cultures with in the US itself, it’s a very big place. So it’s exciting to be here where in Australia, there’s only twenty million people. The whole tour likes a week.

Amy: We’ve had some our biggest career highlights here in the states. Like Ellen, Jimmy Fallon and all of that has been very exciting for us. So that’s been a definite pro. Cons, yep! You said it, visas! That’s always hard. The flying is hard as well for us. Not as far as Europe.

Little bit easier!

George: Yeah the airports here are obviously insanely strict. So you’re going through security, check-ins and all that stuff is a bit more of a nightmare here than most other places but it’s a small price to pay.

Then maybe just to end it off, what is coming up?

George: Not too sure, this is the man to ask!

Manager: We’re doing Rock in Rio and we’re going to Mexico. Then we start in Texas for Austin City Limits. Early October. We’re doing some shows with Walk The Moon then back to Australia.

You know all the plans. The man in charge.

Amy: We’re just finding this all out too.

George: Yeah like what!!


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Mallory Knox speaks Asymmetry, Us Touring and new music!

Something I was really excited about when covering this summer’s Warped Tour was the large amount of British acts on the lineup! Over the past few years, there’s been one or two acts but this summer boasts around nine or ten spread out over many genres. To kick off our Brit coverage which includes Alvarez Kings and As It Is, I chose to go with Mallory Knox!

Warped Tour is the Mallory Knox’s second full run of the US with their first being a huge opening stage with Pierce The Veil, Sleeping with Sirens and Pvris! The band slayed each night and definitely piqued my interest in speaking to the band during their time on Warped. I was able to catch a few minutes with lead singer Mikey Chapman where he spoke to me about their time in the US, plans for a possible third record and how they go about their writing process within the band. Read below for our new interview and catch the band on the rest of the Warped Tour!

Read our interview with Mallory Knox

This is only your second full US tour.

That’s right!

You’ve been Mallory Knox for quite a long time though. You were on a huge tour to start off with here with Pierce The Veil and Sleeping With Sirens.

It was mad! It was an incredibly large tour to be on for sure.

To then go on another large tour and you’re back with Pierce The Veil. How has this tour been going so far for you?

It’s amazing. It’s a very different animal then the tour we were on before. Even just weather wise. It’s been a complete polar opposite but the bands are great, the fans are great. We’re working as hard as we can to hustle and make as many new fans as possible. So yeah, so far, so good.

Then ‘Asymmetry’ is still relatively new. How do you think it’s going over with being on these tours?

Yeah Asymmetry has been out in the UK for nearly a year now but over in the states, it’s relatively new. I mean it’s still tender steps here at the moment with the new songs but people seem to be really vibeing with them and we’re getting no end of compliments after the show. So we’re really happy with how it’s going.

Then considering like how you said it’s been out for a while in the UK, are you working on something new right now? Are you kind of holding off?

Well, to be honest we are fully focused on Warped Tour on the moment then we have a headline run after this back home but once those two things are done, we’re really going to start pushing towards writing album number three. I mean there’s nothing in the plot line as of yet but we’re excited to get that ball rolling.

And how does Mallory Knox normally go about the writing process? Do you feel it still changes considering the band has been a band for a while now.

Yeah I mean I think the dynamic is always pretty much the same. Our writing process is that we always write what we like to hear. There is never a time where we’d write a song we didn’t like that we’d have to do it because other people like it. It’s all about us in a selfish kind of way. Luckily just for us, people seem to really enjoy the stuff we seem to really enjoy. But yeah, writing style, writing wise Sam is always conceptualizing and coming up with ideas. Little bits and bobs for songs. As a collective, we usually put those pieces together and turn it into a Mallory song.

I wanted to ask you. As of late, there’s been a huge rush of British bands coming over. This tour in particular, there’s you, Moose Blood, As It Is, Alvarez Kings. It just keeps on going and going. Maybe how is it to kind of have part of home with you on this run?

It’s fantastic. Coming to a whole new country, particularly one as incredibly unique as America. You know because sometimes you can feel ostracized a little bit, like out of wack we always say. Having the boys here from back home is nice. It means you can sit down and have a quick conversation without someone always asking what you’re saying and what you mean. The American folks are lovely. It would be just as great without the boys from back home but it is nice to see them out here. It’s nice to see other British bands succeeding over here too.

Exactly. Then to maybe end it off, the first CD or first cassette you can remember getting as a kid and the first concert you can remember going to?

Oh okay. So the first CD of note I ever got was from my auntie. She bought me ‘Hybrid Theory’ by Linkin Park. She bought me a CD player on the same day like a Walkman and I wore the batteries out within the first day. I just listened to the album in my room on repeat. I think I even fell asleep to it. I just kind of eat, sleep and drank that record for sure. My first concert was Linkin Park. I was a massive Linkin Park fan when I was a kid. Really kind of inspired me to do what I do today. Yeah my dad took me and a friend and my brother to Birmingham to watch them. It was one of the greatest nights of my life I’d say.

Perfect then to end it off, you kind of talked about your plans. You have the UK tour when you go home after this tour but what is coming up for Mallory Knox? Do you hope to come back to the US pretty quickly or are you going to wait a little bit considering you have been over here steadily these past few months?

It’s a difficult one because we have just so many places to get to. There’s so many even places we haven’t even been yet that we need to start looking into but we absolutely adore America. We love the potential of what we can have here and the fans we’ve made here already. It just really makes us want to come back so we’re going to do everything in our power to be back out here as soon as possible. So people should just keep tabs on us. On our twitter, on our Facebook and hopefully we’ll have something organized really soon.

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Our Last Night on "Younger Dreams", fall touring plans and Warped Tour!

I’m a week out post my Warped Tour date and the spamming is about to begin. I did thirty six interviews but to kick it off, I’m picking a personal favorite from that day. I was able to grab a few minutes with lead vocalist Trevor Wentworth of Our Last Night. The guys are New England music scene veterans who just put out their new album “Younger Dreams”. The day we spoke to Trevor, they had just come off both a main stage set as well as a two hour signing line after. The guys have been grinding for eleven years now and with the band being on their first full length Warped Tour, they have a US headliner planned for the fall as well as going directly overseas for some touring before that. Read on for our new interview and catch the guys on Warped Tour till August 8th!

Maybe a soft one to start considering you have a lot going on with the album just coming out.

Yeah it came out June 16th.

How was today in particular and how has the tour been going so far?

Today was incredible. Like I said, we played main stage and it was more then we even expected to have happen. We haven’t played Boston or even this area since our ten year anniversary show last summer so it’s been like a full year. We were supposed to come a couple months ago but it got snowed out.

With the snow-pocalypse.

Yeah! So I feel like all the kids were super stoked to finally see us again so it was awesome. Definitely the biggest crowd we’ve had so far but all of Warped Tour has been crazy. It’s our first full Warped Tour so we’re finally getting used to what you do every day but yeah, it’s crazy. It’s awesome.

Then like you said, “Younger Dreams” came out right before you started Warped Tour.

Yeah two or three days before Warped Tour started.

So how do you feel it’s been going over? Like online reaction, with the fans?

I mean obviously like now kids are finally learning all the words to all the new songs. We play three new songs live. We have music videos out for all of them so I feel like with time, they finally are starting to get to know the words. Now it’s coming to a point where I can hold the mike out and the kids will sing along without me having to sing. So it was awesome! It feels like everyone is into it. So I’m stoked. It’s done really well which is always nice.

Always nice! Then maybe how long ago did you start working on the new record, “Younger Dreams”.

It’s funny, we have a song called “Road to the Throne” that we wrote music to like almost three years ago. We only had like the first forty five seconds of it written and then we went back to our old songs. We liked that one so much that we were like we just have to finish writing it and put it on the new CD but like the full writing process started in like October. Then we recorded January, February, March then we went overseas and we didn’t even finish it before we left. So me and Matt were recording vocals in green rooms in like Germany. Matt was on the bus mixing and on his headphones so it was kind of ghetto but it turned out exactly how we wanted it to. So we’re stoked. Yeah, it’s awesome.

Then maybe you’ve had this band for so long. Maybe as the lead singer, do you think the writing changed for this record or maybe something new you tried with this album?

Yeah, so we’re not on a record label anymore which is very awesome. So we used to just go in with like a producer we’ve never met before then he would kind of like not tell us what to do but it wasn’t as natural as it is now. Just because we’re doing exactly what we want to do. We wake up, we have an idea, we go for it. Our day doesn’t end at a set time because usually when you go to record with someone, it’s like a strict twelve pm to ten at night. Once ten at night hits, the dude just wants to go home and hang with his family. We just recorded it at our house so if it was two in the morning and we had an idea, we just sat around for five hours and did it all night. So we just had more freedom to do whatever we wanted. It was just awesome. Just more relaxed. We’re definitely going to keep doing it. We have friends come and help write with us but definitely recording it ourselves is definitely the way to go. At least for us. We’re lucky enough to have my brother who has been recording bands for like eight years. So he had some practice for us. So that’s definitely great but it’s definitely more relaxed this time around.

I wanted to ask you, I know just from living in the Boston area for about five or six years now, you guys started this band when you were so young.

Yeah we started in 2004. I was ten at our first show.

You were ten? I didn’t know you were that young.

Yeah, I played our first show when I was ten. I’m twenty two now. It was pretty crazy. I’ve been in the band longer in my life then I haven’t been in the band. Thinking about it that way is pretty fucking crazy. Yeah I don’t know how my parents were feeling about that but they were always supportive. I think them being here today and watching us play in front of like three thousand kids on the main stage made them feel good about it. Yeah, definitely!

Then I wanted to ask you, Boston bands do try to break out but there aren’t a lot that get to make that jump. International touring, getting record label attention. Like Four Year Strong, A Loss For Words, Pvris is really starting to pick up.

Yeah they’re doing amazing on Warped Tour right now. We’ve been friends with them for a long time.

I’m sure!

We used to play with Lynn’s old band in Manchester, New Hampshire back in the day. So I’m stoked to see that band grow very fast.

Maybe advice to bands to keep going? You have obviously put a lot of time into this band, like you said you started playing in it when you were ten and now being twenty two. Maybe advice to bands to kind of make that jump, to kind of break out of the Boston music scene?

Yeah I think it’s all about being patient and not like expecting a lot right away because if you do that, it’s just not good you know what I mean. Expecting to get signed right away, expecting to do this. It’s all about the hard work that you put in to it. I think nowadays, it’s all about what you do online like Youtube stuff. That’s why we do so many covers and stuff because it helps spread our original music around. Like more than you could ever ask for. YouTube is like the new radio pretty much. So I think posting as many new music videos where the band is actually in it because kids like seeing a face to a band. The face of the music. Not like little lyric videos. That stuff gets old. You watch it once and you’re like that’s cool. The song is great but you don’t really have anything to watch. So I feel like just releasing a lot of content and staying real close with your fans, that’s helped us a lot. We’re really active on Twitter. We answer everybody. At Warped Tour, we don’t cap our signings at all. We just did a two hour signing. Literally. It was very long but it was awesome. We all like meeting all of our fans and we giveaway free posters with everything so I think it’s just being really close with your fans. That’s just very important. You gain more fans by doing that because they go talk with their friends and are like yeah Our Last Night was super cool. Not a bunch of rock stars thinking they’re too cool for everyone. I mean everyone is the same. So I think that’s very important.

Perfect, then maybe to end it off, obviously you just put out that record. So I’m sure you have a lot going on. Maybe what’s coming up after Warped Tour for Our Last Night?

After Warped Tour, we’re going back overseas then we’re doing a US headliner in November/December. We’re playing Boston at Brighton Music Hall. I think it’s like two days before Thanksgiving or it’s around Thanksgiving. Either day before or day after. So definitely check that out!

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New Politics speaks "Vikings", Pete Wentz and their women being 50 Feet Tall!

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, which is totally possible, you’ve heard of Copenhagen imports New Politics! The band has been steadily climbing in popularity with a big jump after their time spent on the Monumenttour with their head of their record label, Pete Wentz and the fellow boys in legends Fall Out Boy. They’ve made their own name with hits like Harlem and Yeah, Yeah, Yeah under their belts just to name two. They are on the cusp of releasing their third full length record, “Vikings”, coming out August 14th. They’ve been incredibly busy and only have more to come!

Boston fans were lucky to get a glimpse of the new material when the boys played Earthfest in Boston two days ago. Before they took the stage, I was able to grab a few minutes with the guys where we talked new record, their brand new track “50 Feet Tall” and their experience working with Pete Wentz as their record label head. The band took the stage a few hours later to a packed audience singing back every word to them! The band can next be found on tour co-headlining with Andrew McMahon and in Boston on November 20th at House of Blues! For now though, you can pre-order their new record with some sweet bundles and start memorizing the words. This band has been grinding and it’s been paying off for them!


You just dropped your new song yesterday, “50 Feet Tall”. Maybe can you tell me a little of the story behind that song?

David: 50 Feet Tall? It’s a funny reenactment of a relationship and how you should look at your woman. It’s empowerment and it’s feminism but it’s still fun. It’s juvenile and it’s personable between you and a partner in a relationship. All fun and games until someone gets hurt and always remember that your girl is fifty feet tall.

That was great, thanks. And do you think that’s a good indication of what’s to come on “Vikings”?

Sѳren: Absolutely. No, actually we’re really proud of this album.

David: I think our fans are excited as well. They seem to like everything we’re dropping.

Seem to be fans of it?

David: Except our pants.

Louis: Well, glad you got that one in there.

Glad I got that there, yeah. Perfect! Then it is your third full length? It’s obviously a little less then a month away. Maybe how long has this record been in the making? I know Harlem came out in 2013.

Sѳren: Well, it’s been in the making since really Harlem. We started writing while we were already touring with Harlem but we wrote a lot of the stuff on the Monumentour. So it hasn’t been in the making that long which is really cool because that means we had a good time writing these songs and it was really fun.

David: We managed to stay so busy. It’s the first time we’ve ever done an album that was, there was stress of course there’s always stress, but it was very relaxed. It sort of brought us back to when we first started in Copenhagen actually. It was a bit of that feeling. It just came easily. We didn’t think too much. The album’s also been done for a while now. So basically we’re already bored of our new album.

So now you want to start the new one!

David: So yeah we’re going to be working on, no (laughs). We’re excited now to see what they become because songs always end up taking their own life and build their own thing with our fans and when we play them live. So that’s like the next thing we’re really excited about.

Then I know you’re with Pete Wentz’s label which is through Warner Brothers. You’ve obviously toured with Pete, he’s clearly a music veteran he knows what he’s doing. How has that been to have him as an influence on you versus someone that doesn’t play music and doesn’t understand?

Sѳren:  So amazing.

David: Yeah it’s really cool.

Sѳren: It’s really cool. He actually let us do things that we wanted to do and he was genuine. He liked the band and he just wanted us to have a good time writing the album. He loved the album when we were dong writing it so that’s really cool. This guy Louis he’s just sitting there over there just smiling.

Louis: I’m just taking it all in man.

David: Since we’ve moved here, Fall Out Boy is one of the bands that really inspired us in other ways then just music. He’s always been supportive of us. He likes what we do. He just wants us to be us which is why it works out so well. Why we love it.

Then I know you talked about how you wrote a lot on the Monumenttour. Maybe started the process on the Harlem tour but how did you go about the writing? Do you feel it still changes or do you think you’ve gotten into a pretty steady rhythm with the writing?

Sѳren: I think this time, we definitely wrote an album. We didn’t think about writing singles, we didn’t think that we were going to finish it as fast as we did. It just happened. We wrote the songs and that is a really cool feeling. That you’re not trying to change something, you’re not trying to change the sound. It’s a mix of the first and the second albums. It’s something else too. We weren’t afraid of doing weird stuff on the album and getting weird instruments. Sampling them and doing all these cool things so it was just really fun. We got to work also with a really cool producer that produced Harlem on the last album. We did a lot of stuff with him and it was really nice. It’s been a really good vibe with the people we work with. So I don’t think it has changed that much but it probably has.

Well then to end it off, I know from like looking at your website and stuff, you have a bit of a busy summer. I think your next big thing is the APMA’s with Vinyl Theatre.

David: Yeah Cleveland, the pre-party.

Then you do have the tour with Andrew McMahon in the fall but what is going to be coming up. Once the record comes out, are you just going to be trying to be touring non stop, kind of what’s going to be going on for New Politics?

David: There’s so many different possibilities so I think we’re going to keep our balls in the air.

Louis: That’s not a saying.

David: It isn’t?

Louis: No you completely made that up.

David: Our options in the air? Yes. Options open! Keep our options open. Keep our balls open. Take what suits best for us. Then we’ll see what happens and that also gives us the opportunity to pick and choose.



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Marianas Trench speaks everything new full length!

A few days ago, I sat down with one of the biggest bands in Canada at the moment, Marianas Trench! I headed out to their full house show in Boston Friday night to sit down with Mike from the band to get the run down on everything the band is up to right now. While the band is back in the states after around a two year break from coming here, it’s partially because they’ve been working on their follow up to the incredibly successful undertaking “Ever After”. Mike told me that the album is fully recording, they’re just getting it ready to be mixed and mastered. Their live show provided a peek into some of the new tracks on the record and considering the crowd’s excitement, the band is sure to only make a bigger name for themselves once this record drops. Read on for our new interview and catch the band on tour now!

To start what are the three things you must have with you while on tour?

Let me think! I’ll give you the truth, I won’t give you all like stupid answers.

Okay awesome!

I was going to try to do the funny stuff. Right now, I need healthy food. Like particular healthy food. I have a smoothie that I like in the morning. It’s like almond milk, almond butter, clean protein nutritional powder, frozen berries and I feel like there’s something else I’m missing, a banana! I need that every day because it makes me feel a little bit like I’m at home. I also make like my own individual cup of coffee thought I just broke the thing this morning.

Oh no!

But that’s alright, I’ll survive because it’s the way I have it at home. It makes you feel a little bit there. I guess that’s two things then obviously you need your phone. You have to be in touch with your family and your friends and just for the work stuff that goes on, there’s emails all the time. Also so the tour manage knows where you are if he needs you and stuff like that. I guess those are the three. And wet wipes! I need four. I need to say wet wipes for when you can’t get a shower. Like I just stash that stuff in the corner of my bed. The wet wipes are for when you just had a show but there’s no shower yet. I just need to at least wash my face. You don’t use the bus water. You don’t want to get in your eyes, it’s just for rinsing out the drain essentially. So that’s the other thing.

Perfect and then I think it’s been around a year since you’ve been in Boston, correct me if I’m wrong.

I think two.

Two years? Really?

Yeah believe it or not, I know.

That’s crazy.

We played Paradise Rock Club.

Well pardon my mistake but that’s insane. I covered that show too, that’s crazy. Considering it has been two years, you’re in a much bigger venue on this tour at least in Boston.

Yeah it won’t be double the crowd. It will be more than the other one but it’s good that we’re stepping it up a bit. I feel like when the album comes out, we’ll finally be distributed by like an international label. So it will come out around the world at the same time for the first time ever. I feel like that’s going to make a difference and it will give us an opportunity to play more places. Like more of the cities in the states. There are some significant places we’ve never been like Pittsburgh. We were just talking about that the other day. We haven’t been to Pittsburgh, we haven’t been to Miami, we haven’t been to New Orleans. Like there are a lot of significant places where we’re like we should have been there by now but the opportunity wasn’t there. I feel like this time we’ll have that chance and we’ll see other countries too. Like we’ll see all of Europe, Japan, more of Australia which we’ve done a couple times. I think we got a little bit off track there.

That’s okay, it’s good! Then you said it has been two years. Doors are still like an hour and a half away you have a really good line for the meet and greet as well as general line. Maybe how has it been going. How have these shows been going?

Super well! It was really cool especially because it’s been two years. We had those like semi-singles out. Like not really a fully serviced song. Then like Minneapolis was sold out, Chicago sold out. Detroit, sold out. So it’s been very, very, very encouraging to see that people are still interested. They already somehow by the fifth show, a lot of them know the words to these new songs we are playing from the upcoming album. It’s not out there but just I guess from finding it on Youtube or whatever, they know them! Our fans are amazing. They’re very loyal and they definitely make it fun to be back.

Perfect! Then I know you released a few singles. “Pop 101” is a little older but you did do “Here’s To The Zeros” really recently. Maybe from like looking at it, it’s like poking a little fun at people who want to put bands in a cookie cutter. It was also something that was similar to Pop 101. Is this something that is a good indication of what’s to come with the new record?

No, the record’s totally different.

Totally different?

It’s more like emotionally driven and real life experiences. It’s not so much commentary on situations. It’s Josh writing about his life and stuff. It has more layers feeling wise with the music and the melodies and stuff. I really, really like this album. There are a couple songs that are a little more digestible single wise but there are crazy things. Like an ‘Ever After’ or ‘No Place Like Home’ kind of thing but to another level. Orchestras and stuff, it’s so good. Like it feels like there’s this transitional thing and instead of just linking the songs, there are actual written pieces of music to connect a few of them. There are like three or four of these parts and there are like full twenty five piece orchestras doing these things and it’s just like very movie soundtrack kind of vibe. It feels like a Spielberg movie in spots.

Oh that’s really cool.

Yeah I’m really excited about it.

Then obviously ‘Ever After’ was a huge undertaking. Kind of how you went about the idea of that record. Sounds like you’re in a pretty similar undertaking on this record, kind of with the orchestra and all the layering to the music and the connection between the songs. How long has this record been in the making? I know it’s been a few years since Ever After was originally released?

Yeah it’s been a while. I feel like there’s just a few more things that came up. External factors that slowed it down a bit. You know just life. Things that you sort of have to put everything else on hold and address but I mean here we are now and it is all recorded. So it’s done. It just has to be mixed, mastered, delivered. It’s a little bit different. If you listen to the ‘Haven’t Had Enough’ one, I think where we were at that time was like ‘Wow, look what’ve done’. It’s weird to be here now and look back and be like wow this is like it’s more weighted and I like that. You have to be in the mood for it I guess but I just really, really am proud of what we’ve got coming out for us. I like that it’s more emotionally driven, it’s pretty cool.

Is it something where you like have like a release date or are you still kind of a way away from figuring that all out?

An exact date? An exact date, not sure but it will be early October. Like it’s done. We go back from this, start mixing, get that done. You get it mastered but getting it mastered only takes I think like a day or two even. Then there’s just a certain amount of time where you can’t release it any sooner then this period of time. Like I think it’s about four or five weeks and I think that’s just to set up an iTunes release date. Actually print physical copies and have those available. Things like that. So those things are sort of the biggest delay in the end but the mixing will take a couple weeks too. So I’m thinking first or second week of October.


Hopefully the first one!

Hopefully the first one. Then I know from just research and that kind of thing that Josh does have a large hand in kind of the writing itself but maybe how did you go about the process for this record? Were you just playing the music together or working on ideas together more collectively? Did it change from the past records?

It’s pretty similar. Like Josh will come up with these ideas but we sort of changed the studio location for most of this recording. Josh basically turned his home into a studio, like in his downtown apartment. So we could hang out a lot so there was a little bit more being around during the development of lyrics or even a couple of options in parts. Then just being able to be a sounding board at that point in the process was a little bit different then the past. The vision is usually in his head quite clearly and then sort of trying to get it out and translating it for other people to hear all of the stuff that is going on, he just has to sort of put it down in bits. Then we listen to him and it starts to make sense then we start to have an idea, like okay maybe this, but it’s really clear. He definitely has quite a complete product or song to start with when we’re hearing it.

Perfect and then I wanted to ask you. Like you said, you kind of work in his studio and kind of record in his studio. Like how is that. Maybe the biggest positive of it then maybe if there is a negative to it.

Yeah it’s very nice with the studio, being able to work whenever you want. Josh is literally at times working eighteen hours a day for day after day after day. Then you’re like you need a day off. Take it and when you’re like okay I’m ready again which is usually the next day or day after that, you can go again. So always having the tools at your disposal is very convenient. Then you can noodle around a lot more too. Some of the parts are so precise. Literally spending like an hour on a fade just to make it perfect. There’s so much detail. Especially in those opening and closing tracks, they are incredible. There’s so much going on. It just had to be perfect. We have some guest vocalists on it. Not sure that those are surprises or not. People that have been influences to us musically over the years, getting to have them be there on the album is pretty neat. Like a lot of friends and family who have been there for a lot of the process have gotten to be involved. Just play like one little guitar part or sing a part. We just thought it would be really cool to include a lot of our own history.

Perfect, then maybe to end it off, I know like you said you talked about how you have this tour then the album you’re hoping comes out in October. You’ve obviously achieved success here as a Canadian band. A lot of Canadian bands only come here once or twice and kind of give up if it’s not like instant. Maybe advice to bands to come back, come to the US?

Yeah it is tough. It was weird for us. At the end of that, we kind of just made a decision with that second album. The album was finally recouped which means we did not owe the record label any more money. That’s a miracle today in the music world. Especially when you’re a Canadian band, like you don’t have the whole world to generate revenue from. We had a talk with our manager who was also the owner of the label and he was like okay here’s the options. If you want, we’ve got a little bit of money here what do you want to do? Do you want to go for the states and we’ll just do it independently or not and everybody just gets a little paycheck. So we were like, let’s go for it. So we just invested a lot of time and resources into going forward and we just toured it. I remember the first time coming through, we were doing a radio run or something. I thought we were going to all the stations that were playing the song. None of them even knew who we were. We’d walk in the door and I was like we’re so much further behind than I thought we were. I remember being there in New York in the hotel with Matt being like, we’re never going to fucking do it. We’re never going to do it. You just look at this huge monster in Canada. We can play and we can go back and forth. You can do a national tour in like three weeks. A very comprehensive one. In the states, a comprehensive one would take like ten weeks. We can’t go through the states ten times to build it. That’s more than the whole album cycle. So it was like how can we do this but then we played our show. We had a little showcase thing at the Bowery Electric or the Bowery Ballroom. We sat there just being exhausted. Depressed and hopeless then we did played our songs and it was like we’re fucking good at this. All we had been doing were the acoustic radio things. We’re good at this! There were forty or fifty people there and they were excited. I realized we can and we’ve come through numerous times since but just chipping away. It reminds me of Canada. The cool thing with Canada is we did tour one, two, three, four, five or six times before we were selling four or five hundred tickets. Headlining, sort of doing our own runs and getting radio play. Some, not much, but some and video play on MuchMusic. Which meant more than then it does now I think. It still means something but more people watched it I think. Now the music channels have a lot of other shows that aren’t music based. So we did get some support with that but we were wow three hundred people, four hundred people for our first real headlining run. Through the states we were getting the same. We were like, we’re going to do this! We got this! Then this time, a thousand is average or more. Something is really going on and we still don’t have that radio and we don’t have much promotion and stuff like that but we’re getting there. I feel like when that kicks in and with this record, it will kind of remind people that we’re still around. Tweeting about it and posting pictures. You can already feel it again. It’s very, very exciting. I’m getting goosebumps thinking about it. It’s exciting.

You guys have a following here I think it’s just that you haven’t been here as of late.

Well that’s the amazing thing. They’re still here.

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Dave Monks speaks tour essentials, "All Signs Point To Yes" and future music plans!

We all know the name Tokyo Police Club. The band is a group effort and has been killing it as one of the biggest indie rock bands for years. The singer of that rock band, Dave Monks, is trying something a little different or as he called it, ‘a foray out of the inner workings of my brain’. He just released his first solo EP a few weeks ago with “All Signs Point To Yes”. It is a little gem of a record and something he says he sees as an outlet. That outlet is bringing him on the road with him performing in Boston tonight at TT The Bear’s with Fort Lean. He told me that Tokyo Police Club is still very much a thing but this is also very much a thing. It’s a really different style of music but that’s what side projects should be. Side projects should be where they can let out their thoughts/personal taste unfiltered by a full band effort. Read on for our interview and catch Dave again in Cambridge tonight!

So maybe just a soft one to start. Obviously you’re going out on a short run starting next week but maybe the three things you must have with you while on tour to survive?

Okay, give me a sec. Okay, I definitely need a KIND bar of the almond and coconut variety or possibly several of those. I need my large headphones. I usually overpack so I need an outfit for every possible type of weather. So I’ll have like heavy jacket, light jacket, shorts, everything.

Perfect and then you’re about to head out on I believe your first solo tour is that right?

Yes this is my first solo shows.

Perfect, with Fort Lean. So maybe what are you most looking forward to kind of with this run? Maybe even considering you haven’t been on the road at least in the US for a while.

I’m most looking forward to just playing because it’s so new. I think each show will be a learning experience for me. To see what it feels like to play with different people on stage and what changes when the focus is on me and we’re in a smaller room. I don’t know, I’m excited. I feel like I’m going to be chatty.

Little chatty cathy?

Yeah, could be!

Perfect and then your first release, it comes out Tuesday. “All Signs Point To Yes”. Maybe how long has that EP kind of been in the making? Has it been done for a while?

Well I moved to New York in the summer of 2013. I pretty much started writing it then and a whole bunch of songs came out. Yeah, I was writing over that year and then I recorded it last summer then it was done in the fall. Then Dine Alone Records got on board. So it’s been like maybe a year and a bit in the making.

Then how did you go about the writing for the EP? I know obviously you’ve been writing music for a long time but do you think it maybe even differs from when you’re writing with that full band feel in your mind?

Well we had just finished “Forcefield” which was monumental and just a really laborious process for that record. I just kept writing because I’m always writing. All these songs just came out and I guess the process of the EP was just fast and easy. Taking the band out of the equation meant that I could make it without having to consult or include anyone else. Well you know I worked with some other people but it was fast and it was fun. It was very low stress.

Perfect and then “Gasoline” is the first single off the new record. Maybe can you tell me a little bit of the story behind that song or maybe why you chose that as the single?

I think “Gasoline” was the one song I knew wouldn’t work with Tokyo. The other ones, I kind of debated for a little bit. I kind of thought maybe I should do these ones with the guys. It was a pretty cool song. Then “Gasoline” felt like the music I wanted this to be.

And then for you, the first CD or first cassette you can remember getting as a kid? Then maybe the first concert you can remember going to?

The first CD I bought was Savage Garden. The “Truly, Madly, Deeply” one and the first cassette I bought was Weird Al’s “Bad Hair Day” because my friend’s mom had it in her car and I was like ‘Your mom listens to awesome music’. It was hilarious. I was like ‘I’m getting that’. I don’t know how old I was then but yeah it was just paradise from there on out. First concert I went to was Incubus with my friend from high school in Hamilton and Phantom Planet opened up which was pretty cool.

Perfect and then I wanted to ask you, like you said you live in New York and you don’t live in Canada anymore but maybe Tokyo Police Club was one of those bands that did make a name for themselves in both countries. Maybe advice to bands to keep on coming back to the US as a Canadian band?

Something really cool happened with Tokyo Police Club when we first came out. We got really lucky with the attention that our first EP received and our first couple records. I don’t know how to replicate that. Like I don’t know. A lot of bands focus on Canada but not the US or maybe it’s the internet. Whatever, it doesn’t matter where you’re from. All I have to say is it’s a crazy thing.

Perfect and then to end it off, obviously great things are happening. Your album comes out Tuesday and you’re going on this first solo tour with it but kind of what’s coming up in the rest of 2015? Are you going to try and do a little more touring? Are you going to be staying local in New York? Kind of what’s the game plan?

I would like to do more shows on this record. Some Tokyo stuff in the works which is exciting. I’m really stoked to get new Tokyo stuff out as well. I’m not quite sure. Just a whole bunch of stuff.

So you’re still doing both actively. Kind of just like balancing the two.

Yeah, exactly. They kind of counter balance each other. I’ve learned that. It kind of makes Tokyo easier.


Yeah because you know I have an outlet. I don’t have to get the guys to do the “Gasoline” thing or do the EP thing. I can have that and then when it comes to the band, I can be more collaborative. That’s a little foray out of the inner workings of my brain.

I like it, I like it!
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Mike Shea of Alternative Press speaks APMA's, bands you should bewatching for and advice to the music industry!

My next interview is definitely something so different from the normal on this website but it was quite possibly one of my favorite interviews I’ve done this year so far. It’s with the man that inspired myself and many other young journalists around the country. He also gave the chance to bands to be covered that are now killing it like Falling In Reverse, Pierce The Veil and Sleeping With Sirens. He started Alternative Press in 1985 and has remained the head of the magazine ever since. His latest venture though has been the Alternative Press Music Awards taking place in Cleveland later this month. It’s the second year of the event and gives alternative artists the unique opportunity to get rewarded for the hard work they put in that doesn’t get recognized as often it should. Read on for this rare interview opportunity and watch to see if your favorite acts get that trophy!

You’re going into the second year of the APMA’s. How long has the second one been in the making?

Right after the first one, we were like wow that was a much bigger thing then we thought that it was going to be. So then we started talking immediately and started working on it. Getting the artists is the hardest part because so many bands now plan out their touring schedules roughly two years ahead. So we’ve learned that we have to work out way in advance now so we can kind of get into their schedule. Especially for a good number of the artists, the show is like a fly-in date. So they’re not necessarily on tour and things like that. So yeah we started immediately after and we’ve already sworn that for next year we’re going to start even earlier. We are really already starting booking bands for 2016. Like we’re already that far ahead because we have to for a bunch of the bigger names.

Perfect, and then maybe you do have a lot of bands that are playing that do tour steadily. I know Warped Tour plans their routing around it. They play the Cleveland date of Warped Tour the day after the APMA’s but you do have bands like Sum 41 and Simple Plan who obviously haven’t played in awhile. Were they bands that you really wanted to play the show in particular?

Yeah! We did actually and the other cool thing is that it’s really an honor and it’s also something where these bands reached out to us and said we want to make the APMA’s the first show. That is really an honor to us just because that means the show to artists has the stature that we were wanting it to have. It’s a good event for bands to kind of come out and blow it out the door because it’s a media event. It’s not just a concert and so it’s really a media event. Last year, we had some artists come out on stage and they really hadn’t planned it out very well what they were going to do. So they kind of ended up coming out just doing one of their songs but the bands that got it were the ones who came out and made something of the moment. So we’ve been working with the artists on this show for a while now on it. That’s the best part about this whole thing is that so many of these bands they now get is what they get out of the show is what they’re going to put into it. You know if they put some really great, quick, crazy wild or powerful moments up on stage, it’s going to go viral. It will be all over their socials. It will carry out for them for years. So we still see that. The Oli Sykes speech, the Billy Corgan speech, Joan Jett and Slash. All Time Low with Yellowcard, New Found Glory, Pierce The Veil. Brendon singing Sinatra. It’s still all over the place.

And then obviously there have been music award shows in the past but not unfortunately ones where a lot of these alternative acts that you’ve always covered were nominated. Maybe how long have you been wanting to even do this. Like have this awards shows. They can go up there and have their acceptance speech and win like best album.

I thought of the idea about three years ago and then our friends at Hopeless Records hit me up literally a couple months after I was kicking it around. They were like hey have you ever thought about doing one? I said funny enough. We were going to do it in 2013 because I actually got the idea the end of 2012 but we weren’t ready. Just internally we weren’t ready. We really had no planning so we needed almost a year worth of planning. So we got it moving by September of 2013 and it literally was almost a full time job by the time we hit February of 2014. Then it was pretty much evenings and weekends and days from about March all the way up to the show date. It was a lot, a lot of work.

Perfect and then considering this is the second year you’ve done it, are there things that you wanted to work on. Like considering how last year’s event went. Things you wanted to change going into this year’s award show.

Well, yeah. The first thing we wanted to do was bring it indoors. Doing it outside in a park was beautiful but we completely lucked out with the weather. It was raining not more than two days prior. We just happened to have lucked out with the temperature outdoors. Beautiful weather. Cloudless sky. The outline of downtown, everything but we were putting on an award show within a festival and the festival is what killed us. It was just way too much work. We basically built that show from scratch on that park and it was the biggest stage that had ever been in that park. We were spending so much of our time on the Porta Potty count and bike racking and it was too much. So we decided right out of the bat, we’re indoors and then it was the matter of meeting with some of the Cleveland business development organizations and the promotion organizations. We were able to work it out to be at the Quicken Loans Arena which I still can’t believe we’re in there. So now it’s reduced our work load by fifty percent. Just because the Q already has so much of the stuff that we need. Then the other thing is that we don’t need sound or lights for an outdoors show. We don’t need lights for a daytime sunlight and nighttime. We only need one set of lights now. Then just some production stuff. There was never a full rehearsal for the show because half of the artists showed up that day from Warped Tour. So there were so many parts of the show that were kind of first time run throughs that day. So we were able to smooth a lot of that out this year. Now we know, the orchestra conductor will actually get a head set. So now she’ll be able to like be cued. Last year, she was being cued by sight by somebody standing off to the side of the stage telling her play now.

Little less stressful. Perfect, and then I wanted to ask you. Maybe how are the nominees picked out of these countless touring bands? Is it kind of a nomination process within AP staff, do you bring in other people to vote on it? How do you normally go about that?

It’s primarily AP staff. We have some input from like Kevin Lyman too but it’s primarily AP staff. We literally just go through each one of the categories and we go through the past year. It’s very drawn out, a passionate debate. I actually went through and watched over like two weekends probably almost two hundred music videos. So many that I just missed. The thing that’s tough is that you’re trying to squeeze in so many sub-genres within one category and it’s virtually impossible. So you’re always going to be leaving somebody out and artist of the year, there are ten nominations. That saves our butt so many times because we can actually get a nice diverse group. We can put in the rock bands. We can put in the hardcore bands. We can put in the pop-punk bands. We can put in the pop band. We can put in the post hardcore bands. So everybody has kind of gotten the best of the best. When we get into the other nominations, it’s only six spots. As a category, that’s really difficult. You’re leaving out people and it’s just really, really tough. Then sometimes for somebody, what most people based it off of is if that put out music in the previous year but there’s a couple that are kind of left open based upon if they had a really great year. Those are tough. Those are really, really tough. It isn’t easy. I wish we could do like ten across the board for all the categories. There are some uncomfortable moments where you’re just like crap, couldn’t fit everyone in.

Perfect and then I know during the APMA’s you’re also doing the thirthieth anniversary gallery presentation. I attended the one in NYC for I believe the twenty fifth anniversary. I know as well as having a lot of Atlernative Press memorabilia, you had artists that you cover have their artwork displayed. Maybe is that something you’re going to be doing again this year. Maybe what can people look forward to with attending that?

We are actually going to be announcing something very soon that’s going to be an exhibition here in Cleveland. Wrapped around thirty years of AP and that’s going to be in one of the upcoming press releases and it’s really another one of these moments. Really an honor and we’re just completely blown away by it. So there will be something wrapped around that definitely. In a way, it’s been a little weird because the show has become such this important thing. So the thirtieth thing is almost an afterthought sometimes in my head because I’m just looking at the show. I was just thinking about it this weekend. Thirty years ago at this time, I was typing, retyping because I was editing the magazine as I was retyping. Stories that were given to us to appear in the first issue and I typed them onto a floppy disk. On the old PC in a floppy disk. Then I had to take that to our printer and then they would format that into a galley to type. That took about a week for them to do that so I think we were all still collecting artwork for a few ads that we had got. The first issue came out on June 6th, 1985 so it would have went into print four days I believe if I’m correct before that. Then it took us about a week and a half to lay it all out because it was the first issue and we were kind of going back and forth and tweaking things. We also kind of didn’t finish our logo until about a week before. So my friend Marty was doing this pointerism black logo. He had done one version and I asked him to kind of punk it up a little bit more and he did it over again.

That’s awesome! And then like you said, June 6th is obviously only a few weeks away but you’ve always kind of given a chance to new bands to be covered. You kind of see that in the award show nominations this year. Picking out bands like State Champs then The Hotelier and Pvris who are just really getting started. Maybe what are three bands you think kids should be looking for this year. Maybe bands that are starting to really do something or new bands coming out.

In general?

Yeah, in general.

Well Pvris is definitely one of them. If anybody is ready to be the next Paramore, it’s them. I really believe that.

I do too.

In the end, it’s just because they’re just so dynamic. They’re essentially a pop rock band but they’re just so dynamic and Lynn the singer is just so amazing. Her vocals are great, the songs are just awesome and they stick in your head. One of those records you can’t get out of your head after you play it. I can’t wait for the orchestra to play their version of that song in the overture. It will be awesome. Another one that’s blowing up right now is Set It Off. Those guys are again one of those bands who’s records are just catchy as hell. Their live show is really incredible. It’s so much fun and they’re a little bit of a kind of secret. Overseas, they’re blowing up like crazy in England and so forth. Here in the states, they’re definitely hot but it’s just a slight delay here. So I think that between Warped Tour and our show, it’s going to really kick them into gear. So they’re another one and I’m kind of torn with some of the third options. I would probably say it’s a toss up between Neck Deep, State Champs, Real Friends, Knuckle Puck. Like that whole new generation of pop punk stuff. It’s just so good. Man Overboard and all of that. I think that all of those bands are really just the new generation of artists. The lyrics are really good. Songs are great to sing along with and each one of them is just really representative of the times we live in. They’re all great. All of those guys are great.

Perfect then maybe to end it off, obviously the music industry is more of a passion industry, not exactly the most money making industry. Maybe advice to bands just to keep on working at it, the writers to keep on working at it, record labels to stay positive. Maybe advice to keep on gunning at it?

Yeah it’s definitely not a money making industry right now. I think we’re kind of in a state of flux. The business models really haven’t been figured out. We kind of still have the major portion of the industry trying to figure out how to hold on to the money that they were making before or get back the money they were making before. Kind of have everybody else left to their own devices. So they’re all kind of either working on some sort of donation system or they’re working out some kind of new project. Like a Kickstarter or GoFundMe or whatever. I really do think it comes down to passion because we need it. We need to do it. Even if you’re working at a coffee shop or you’re going to college or you’re having to work two other jobs and you hate it, but you have this passion to write or perform or paint or whatever, you have to do it because it’s the one thing that provides balance in society. For all the creatives and for journalists, journalism will never go away and just because things right now are all about listicles and about short form doesn’t mean it’s always going to be that way. We’re already seeing push back against this so called death of print. Print isn’t dying and it was the same argument that was said in the nineties about the movie theaters when cable television really started to kick in. They said that music was going to go away once downloading happened. Distribution platforms have changed but it’s still there and people want that. People want to go to the communal experience in a concert hall to see a band together. They want to go to the movie theaters to see movies together. Laugh together. Same thing with print. People want to hold on to print. There’s a study that people did research about who was buying digital books and they thought that it was going to be teenagers and as you got older, they were going to stick to traditional books. It was exactly the reverse. People that were buying digital things were the older people and teenagers and early twenty somethings were buying more print because they liked the romanticism of holding onto a book and putting it on their table or putting it on a shelf. Just so proud because they have that book or whatever the deal was. It’s the same thing with print like ours. So print is like vinyl. So it has to be better produced. Will be more expensive. There’s just no way to get around it. It may not be everywhere but it’s going to be collectable and people want to hold onto it. So us guys in print, we have to make sure that whatever we’re producing is something that people want to hold onto. It’s something that we’ve been doing for the past thirty years and we’re evolving that. So people like you have to keep going because we need you. We need you guys out there interviewing bands, writing about stuff. Spotify playlists aren’t going to replace the power and the ability to inform as much as the journalists will. It doesn’t matter how big bites get. It doesn’t matter how funny Buzzfeed lists are. People still want to read pieces and stories and interviews that are good quality and by people that know what they’re talking about. That aren’t doing it for page views or drama or write headlines. Like you won’t believe what they said next. You know what I mean? I would just saw across it all do what you got to do to pay your bills but definitely got to keep going. The models of how we’re all going to make money in this world are continuing to evolve and we’re going to figure this out. There will be ways for people to make money. It will come from an app or it will come from a website or whatever the deal is but unless we try, we’re not going to know. I guess that’s a really long way to kind of answer your question.

Well, thank you so much for taking the time Mike I know you’re a very busy man.

No, it’s all good! Thank you for your questions.
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