Laura Stevenson

I'€™m a sucker for a strong female presence in rock music and not the kind that is found in the '€œParamore'€ stereotype bands that are all over the alternative scene. Instead, I'€™m more a She&Him, Jenny Owen Youngs kind of girl. One of the bands that falls in that vein is Brooklyn based Laura Stevenson and The Cans! With punk backgrounds, they are indie rock darlings that are in the process of making their follow up to their debut record '€˜Sit and Resist'€™.

During their time in Cambridge on a headlining run, we discussed everything from the writing process they are taking for the new record to their first musical experiences to the essential Twazzles and Beef Jerky they must have while on the road! Read on for our exclusive with Laura and Mike!

Last I saw you guys, you were still finishing up the album when you were on tour with Fake Problems. Obviously you'€™re toured quite a bit, what are the three things you must have while you'€™re on the road?
Laura: The things I must have? Eye make up remover because I don'€™t really wash my face that often. What else? Twizzlers if I'€™m doing a late night drive. What do you do when you do a late night drive? Jerky?
Mike: I have beef jerky, red bull and a large coffee. It keeps me occupied.
Laura: Everybody has their candy and energy liquid that will sustain them when everybody else is sleeping. So yeah mostly Twizzlers but I call them Twazzles.
Mike: When we stopped for gas today, I saw a 4 ton container of Red Vines.
Laura: Yeah for 7.99.
Mike: It'€™s a good deal.
Laura: I almost got it but I read the container.
Mike: Yeah, five vines is one serving.
Laura: They'€™re long vines. Anyway, mostly candy. Really. And instruments. So Candy, eye make up remover and pajama pants because I usually go asleep in my shirt that I wear when I play and in my jeans but I bring myself some pajama pants and an extra pillow case.
An extra pillow case?
Laura: Yeah, because then your face is on the same dirty pillow case so it'€™s good to change it.

So the record came out a while ago. April 26th of 2011. So obviously it'€™s been a while. Still a young record since it'€™s under a year but how do you think its'€™ been going over so far?
Laura: I would say it'€™s a grower, I mean every record is, but it didn'€™t come out with this crazy backing push. It was more like now that it was the end of the year, you know the January top ten. A lot of people were blogging their favorite albums, like anybody cares, but a lot of people put our album on there. That was cool.
Mike: Yeah I think it was more of, like Laura said, there wasn'€™t much media reaction to it but over time, I think a lot more people have come around to it. Which is good.
Laura: Yeah! Next one hopefully, we'€™ll do both. Big good bang to start and slow burn. Two opposites.
Mike: Like rice! That'€™s what we should call it. '€™Like Rice'€™.
Laura: Cool! At least we got that part nailed down. Maybe we can get a rice sponsorship.
Mike: We could!
Laura: Could get sponsored by Uncle Ben.

And then even though it still is really new, are you even writing the new one? Because you guys joined in 2007 but then it wasn'€™t that long into it. Like you were playing with Bomb The Music Industry! And then you put out the debut with you guys on it.
Mike: Yeah me and Alex played on it.
So you must be constantly writing. Is that some thing that you'€™re even working on?
Laura: Yeah, we have like the majority of the new record written. So we'€™re ready to start thinking about the next step with it.
Mike: Actually, we'€™ve gone over ten.
Laura: We'€™ve gone over ten? That'€™s as many as '€™Sit and Resist'€™ had, right? '€™Sit and Resist'€™ had thirteen. Well, there is a song like that'€™s a minute and half. So let'€™s say eleven songs. So probably like twenty second oh no'€™s and then we have a record. Doesn'€™t matter for shit. Just kidding, it does matter.

And then how do you normally go about the writing? Is it one person, is it more collective, does it change?
Laura: I mostly do a lot of the writing alone and then I bring things. With the last record, it was like where a lot of things were pretty much done when I brought them in but this time, there'€™s a lot more things that were in pieces and they all kind of helped me mend them together. So it'€™s been a more collaborative writing process which is cool. It took me a lot of time to be able to get comfortable enough with people to be able to do that. I still am not able to sing my lyrics until they'€™re exactly what they'€™re going to be. So yeah it'€™s definitely more collaborative.
So it changed from the first record?
Laura: There was a big step. I'€™ve kind of been lanquishing more of the power I'€™ve so desperately held on to for five years but the last two years I'€™ve been like easy going. Right?
Last two years out of twenty seven? You'€™re pretty good about it. Then maybe would you say it'€™s pretty similar or dissimilar sonically from '€™Sit and Resist'€™?
Laura: I think that it'€™s a little bit more different maybe and there'€™s some more of like a country influence on this record. In a way that I like it.
Mike: Not in like a Kenny Chesney kind of way.
Laura: No! I just started listening to Brad Paisley a lot so I guess I'€™m writing more like him but whatever that'€™s cool. But, you know, I don'€™t know, it'€™s exciting. It'€™s a new step!

New Step! Then maybe for all of you, who would be like your dream person to collaborate with, to write with? Like in any sense? Maybe just have them like on a song and still write their part.
Laura: I think John K. Sampson. I feel like that'۪s a bit of a clich̩. Kenny G! That would be pretty good. No, maybe Sampson I think. I think that that would be cool!

Then maybe the first CD or first cassette you ever bought and the first concert you ever went to?
Laura: I went to rock concerts when my dad was a big Dead Head and he would bring me with him but the first concert I ever wanted to go to was Soul Asylum and Spin Doctors. It was awesome! It was so awesome! I loved the Spin Doctors. I thought that '€œTwo Princes'€™ was something where nothing could ever get better then that song when I was little and it never did! It never did! Then first tape I ever bought was '€˜In Utero'€™. I walked to the store, bought it with my own money and I listened to it constantly when I was ten or eleven. There were some things on there I shouldn'€™t be hearing so it was definitely interesting but I loved it. I loved it and I didn'€™t have MTV so it was really hard for me to acquire the new music. I heard '€˜When I Come Around'€™ like playing at somebody'€™s birthday party and I was like '€˜Woo I like this'€™. Yeah I guess Nirvana and Green Day were records that I bought.
Mike: Green Day'€™s '€˜Dookie'€™ was the first thing I ever bought but my mom made me record over all the curse words with my Talkboy that I got for Christmas that year. So yeah the first tape I ever bought with my own money was littered with all these blank spaces where every curse word I had to record over.
Laura: What was the first CD you ever bought?
Mike: First CD I ever bought was Sixteen Stones and I paid like twenty dollars for it. It was insane that people would spend twenty dollars for a CD.
Laura: So good though! I bought me an import. It was called Brown Bush. Nobody had it. It was same songs just the British name.

Did any of those influence you at all? Like maybe you guys personally or as a band?
Laura: I don'€™t know. What would you say? My mind'€™s really drawing a blank.
Mike: Well, what do you like listening to?
Laura: Well, those didn'€™t at all.
Just those music experiences. Did those influence you? Like going to those concerts? Not just in general like on your sound.
Laura: Oh, okay! Yeah, absolutely. I think Spin Doctors, whatever I'€™ll say it, had really, really great melodies. Timeless! I'€™ll say. And then listening to Green Day, just like '€˜Distortion'€™ because I grew up on like music from the late sixties and early seventies. My parents were like old hippies so I didn'€™t really get into that. And then my dad listened to a lot of Neil Young. Neil Young'€™s '€˜Crazy Horse'€™. I was like '€˜Woah, woah what is this?'€™ So definitely a lot of that and then The Beatles. That was constantly playing in my house so I was forced to listen to the melodies.
Did it influence you with your Green Day?
Mike: Yeah it was really a big part of my teen years. Still like a lot of punk.
Laura: We still play with a lot of punk bands. That'€™s our thing.

Then you have toured with a bunch of different kinds of bands per say. Like I said last time you guys were here was with Fake Problems in May like Pomegranates and Into it. Over It. So maybe would be like your dream three to tour with? Like anyone? Like three alive bands still doing it?
Laura: Um, what would you say? Bands that we would want to tour with.
Mike: We have a whole list of them.
Laura: Yeah! I don'€™t know. Arcade Fire.
That'€™s not a bad thing!
Laura: No but that'€™s a band that'€™s like..obviously! That'€™s like when you say oh we want to tour with Arcade Fire, Radiohead.
Mike: Bob Dylan!
Laura: Oh yeah, Dylan! How about we say Arcade Fire, Neil Young and Wilco!
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Yellowcard

During these past three years of being a music journalist and interviewing to be honest hundreds of bands, I'€™ve seen hands on the return of bands to their full force that they had when I was in my early teens as well as seeing bands leave the scene that were seen as rock gods. You see William Beckett returning after The Academy Is called it quits and doing it on his own. You see bands like Taking Back Sunday reunite as their original line up and one that holds a special place in my heart is Yellowcard who'€™s brand new album '€˜Southern Air'€™ just debuted at #10 on the Billboard 200 charts!
We lost the guys in the music scene for about three years when they went on hiatus after several incredibly successful records but the band is back and here to stay for the long haul. With two records dropping since they returned from hiatus, they just finished an inspiring summer headlining the Warped Tour again and have a huge fall US tour featuring The Wonder Years and We Are The In Crowd opening! Over the past year we'€™ve had the excellent opportunity to steadily talk to Ryan Key of the band as well as famed violinist Sean Mackin about the come back they are currently having. Read on for my most recent exclusive with vocalist Key about the writing process for '€˜Southern Air'€™, their future plans and advice to Warped newbies!

How long has the new record Southern Air been in the making?
We started writing in January. I mean we took the holidays off and it was a crazy process because there was such a deadline on it! We had Warped Tour, Warped Tour was booked. And it was early on in the process, there was the conversation of like '€˜Well, if we'€™re not going to be done, we have to do it later'€™ and we were like '€˜Hell no. It'€™s not going to happen'€™. We'€™re going to get it done so I think in the end, the pressure of getting it done and writing songs was really an ally and not an enemy. It was pushing us, driving us, inspiring us in a way. It was incredible! It was definitely probably the most painless writing project that I can recall. Everything was so fluid and our sort of camaraderie in the band was amazing. I don'€™t remember a time where we all were so good working with each other on so many aspects of the record. You know we were all involved in every part of it. It was really great!

And then clearly this is the second record since coming off hiatus. That record is a very recent release. Was there a reason to put out these records so close together? Maybe because you were coming off hiatus after several years.
That has a little bit to do with it but really Warped Tour was the driving force behind that decision because we all desperately wanted to be part of this tour this summer. It'€™s been five years since we'€™ve done the tour and to have the opportunity to do the whole tour this year, that was really important to us. If we had waited till after Warped Tour, we wouldn'€™t be putting a record out till some time in 2013 and I think that in the end is just way too long. I mean five years from now, I hope we'€™re still making records and then maybe we can take a couple years between albums but I think it is important that we keep putting out music for now because we did take some time off. We have no right to complain and say '€˜Oh we need rest!'€™ because we had three years to rest. Everybody'€™s really inspired us to keep going so we had the moment of like how are we going to do this. How are we going to accomplish writing a whole other record right now but then that moment passed and we said we write songs. That'€™s what we do. We need to stop bitching and just get in to the studio and do work. We ended up writing the best ten or eleven songs we'€™ve ever written.

And then obviously, you'€™re on the main stage with bands that have been around for years upon years like Taking Back Sunday, The Used, New Found Glory. How has that been being on the main stage and what advice maybe would you give to bands who are doing like their first Warped Tour?
It'€™s really cool this year because-. Well, it'€™s kind of bittersweet because NOFX and Bad Religion are not on this tour and New Found Glory and Taking Back Sunday and Yellowcard, we all are. So there'€™s this feeling of kind of taking the torch. Carrying the torch on. I saw Fat Mike from NOFX in San Francisco and he was like '€˜How does it feel? How are they treating you guys? Since we'€™re not here!'€™ It'€™s like man we'€™re getting old, we'€™re moving on up there. So it'€™s both things but I mean the friendships we have with the bands that we'€™ve been touring with, it'€™s really amazing to be all sharing the main stage at Warped Tour. As young bands, this was such an important thing for us to do and it was such a big dream and a big goal to be on the Warped Tour. So for us to all sort of be a flagship band this year or whatever you want to call it is really special. I don'€™t think any of us are taking it for granted at all. Don'€™t realize how far we'€™ve come and how much it means for the tour to have all of these bands on. As far as the younger bands, it'€™s just we wouldn'€™t be there with out this tour and we'€™ve done it in a van with a trailer ourselves ten years ago and it was miserable but magical at the same time. So you'€™ve just got to deal with it and fight through it because if you can get your band to a place where the Warped Tour will have you regularly on the tour, it'€™s really a great thing for your career. Not just the fact that you get to play for so many people but I mean it'€™s a steady thing. It'€™s a steady job to have in the summer every couple years to be on the Warped Tour. It'€™s great! So it'€™s worth the work!

Then obviously this record comes out in less then a month I believe August 14th. You'€™ve been touring pretty steadily since you'€™ve come back but are you just going to keep on going that way for now?
Yeah, Warped Tour ends on the 5th of August and we fly to Europe on the 8th so we'€™re just getting right back on it. We'€™ll be in Europe till the end of August and then in September we have a massive Southeast Asia thing planned. Something like 45, 000 kids we'€™ll be playing to on that trip. Then when we come back, we'€™re going to take the month of October off and then do our fall head line tour in November and then yeah, so! We'€™ll take the holidays off and get back at it next year. I mean another thing about Warped Tour for us is that we knew that if we could do Warped Tour at the beginning of the album cycle, we might be able to get 18 months of touring in support of the record. You get an extra three at the start if you'€™re doing Warped tour so you don'€™t really have an album out to do Warped Tour. So we'€™re hoping to be touring through December of next year.
Thank you so much, Ryan. I always appreciate you so much for taking the time.
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In Fear and Faith

Summer for me has been metal after metal after heavy rock after death core show and festival and I'€™m super content with those scenarios! Something though that kind of differed in that coverage was the band In Fear and Faith. They are part of the massive Scream it Like You Mean It tour this summer which came in two packages, blue and red. On certain days though, it was a gold day where you would be able to see around 15-17 bands on average during that day! We were lucky enough to cover the first gold day where we talked to about thirteen bands about their new records (if coming), the ones they just released and were given a good preview of what is to come for all the bands this fall!

First band up is the aforementioned In Fear and Faith! We had the opportunity to talk to the band a while back now in 2011 where they had been working on the reworked '€™Symphonies'€™ EP and in our new interview, we learned about a record from Ramin that has been kept severely under wraps. It looks like it will be a full band feel of the last EP but doubles as a concept album as well. Read on for our exclusive!

So maybe a soft one to start since it has been a while. How have these shows been going despite the tour just starting?
The last two shows have been pretty awesome. If we were a metal band (laughs). They were good. It'€™s definitely been metal kids expecting metal bands on it. Hands like Houses and In Fear In Faith aren'€™t really that kind of style but our fans are incredible and they'€™re very receptive to our set. We'€™re kind of like the band that are the outcasts on it but it'€™s fun regardless because we love playing shows but these gold dates with the whole tour package are awesome.

And then it has been a little bit since you'€™ve toured at least at this level of US touring. Maybe what are you most looking forward to like being back on the road for the whole summer?
Yeah our last tour was a co-headliner with For All Those Sleeping and we did an almost full US tour yet it kind of seemed short because we hadn'€™t toured with them before and when you tour with a new band, you kind of become friendly with them half way into it. For this tour, we'€™re friends with so many people that it'€™s just exciting. It'€™s like a family reunion or something. It'€™s like a mini Warped tour. So I'€™m excited because it'€™s a mini Warped tour inside air conditioned venues. Pretty sweet!
Just taking the heat out of the situation!
Yeah! Though the AC went out on the way here so that kind of sucked.
That'€™s a really great start to your tour!
Great start!
Sure you'€™re pumped!
55, maybe 56 hour drive from San Diego straight.
Well the first date for you was New York? Then you played New Jersey?
Yeah, we literally arrived there one hour before load in and we didn'€™t stop driving from Sunday midnight through. It was an adventure to say the least.
Good times!
Good times!

Then, '€˜Imperial'€™, it'€™s obviously been a while since you'€™ve released a full length with it being in 2010.
Quite a while, yeah! Two years! Yeah, most bands don'€™t have a two year cycle for their albums any more but we'€™re putting a lot of work into this new album. By far the best album we'€™ve done and I think people will appreciate what we have done. We have Scott doing everything. Screaming and singing. There'€™s almost half of the CD that doesn'€™t even have screaming but we also have our heaviest songs so it'€™s going to be interesting to see how it'€™s success is. Hopefully it'€™s good!

Then you say you think it'€™s the best album you'€™ve ever made. Has it changed sonically a bit or is it pretty similar to the sound kids have grown to known?
'€˜Imperial'€™ was supposed to sound different from the way it ended up sounding. Our producer really didn'€™t give a shit about the band. He hadn'€™t ever done a band like our sound and it was an impersonal process and we thought that he just didn'€™t really push it and there'€™s a lot of things that are supposed to be on the album that really just ended up not getting completed. It'€™s kind of a bummer so to a lot of people, it'€™s going to sound completely different but our roots are still the same. We'€™ve always tried to be a very theatrical band. With orchestrated piano, different sounds that people don'€™t really utilize in this scene so it'€™s going to sound very different to a lot of people but a lot better. It'€™s like a movie score for a hardcore band (laughs).
Is it going to be kind of similar then to what you did with '€˜Symphonies'€™?
Very much so. Our new album is essentially going to sound like '€˜Symphonies'€™ on steroids with a full band. So '€˜Symphonies'€™ was all done with a friend at my house on Midi and it'€™s all fake sounds and stuff like that but this is '€˜Symphonies'€™ as a full band essentially. It'€™s really cool. It came out really awesome and I can'€™t compare it to anything out. It'€™s very weird and theatrical and not really something you'€™d hear in this scene.

Well that will be good! That'€™s exciting! I mean it will be a fresh breath.
Yeah and I'€™m all about taking risks and taking chances and we did exactly what we wanted to on this album so we'€™ll be happy with it regardless.

And then I know you had other people on that record meaning '€˜Symphonies'€™. Like Nick Martin for example. I'€™ve asked this to people in the past and since it'€™s such a big tour you'€™re on, if you could pick like any band to do a song with, write with them, who do you think they would be?
On this tour?
Who would they be and what do you think it would be about?
Attack Attack! Is literally like our little brothers. Our little more successful brothers but they'€™re like our best friends. Any time anyone asks us anything like that, they are the first band that I think about. So our new album is a concept album essentially. Can'€™t really give away too much because it won'€™t make too much sense yet but essentially, it'€™s a story about humanity'€™s own self-destruction to the end of the world. It'€™s a very detailed graphic story and a lot of people are questioning what our first single means. Whatever we do on this album is going to have to fit the theme of that so anyone can write a story about that kind of thing but it'€™s presenting it the right way with the right people but we haven'€™t actually decided on any guest vocals just yet. We definitely are going to have some but we haven'€™t set any thing in stone. We have some very high hopes and big expectations and there are certain people we'€™d like to have on it. Especially, people we might have stolen our band name from. So, hopefully that happens.
And is that something that is probably going to be like 2013?
No, it will be coming out this year. We were hoping to have it release this summer but it wouldn'€™t be happening till the end of the tour which we don'€™t want to release an album at the end of the tour.
So it'€™s that close?
Yeah. The album'€™s pretty much done. We just have to finish it up and get it mix and mastered and we have to get our guest vocals on it. So we'€™re looking at early fall.
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The Company We Keep

The Company We Keep has been a project that Brian Southall has had in mind for a long time now. Really always working on material and playing around with it when Justin Pierre approached him about possibly working on a new project together. It came from that duo to now include their singer Amy Brennan and Branden Morgan and that quartet will be hitting the road all summer playing shows!

Read below for an exclusive interview with Brian Southall!

It'€™s something where you'€™re the first band to release a 7'€ in the Making Moves series. It was something where you tour manage Motion City. Was this something that you always wanted to propose to Justin? Did he know you were working on this? How did it come about?
Justin I think proposed it to me actually.
Oh really?
Yeah, I was always working on material and demo ing but I didn'€™t know what I was going to do with it and he had actually kind of heard stuff. From me playing on the bus and then initially he said he just wanted to try to do something with it, I still didn'€™t really know what to do with it. Then he wrote to it and I was like this is better then I thought it would ever be because he'€™s really good. That'€™s what he does. He writes all these lyrics. So as soon as he knew rough demo'€™s of the stuff, he was like this has to be a band. Let'€™s make this happen and then obviously it was a nice in that he did do the Making Moves series. That was like a Motion City Soundtrack thing.
Project at Drexel, yeah!
So, obviously, we had a little edge there in having a member of Motion City Soundtrack in our band. So yeah, it just kind of worked out! It was like his push though that I think made it a real band. Opposed to me just writing music or whatever.

Then it'€™s going to be the first release.
It will be the first 7'€. I think just because we recorded first. We recorded over Thanksgiving last year before any one else did anything so I think that'€™s the reason why. It was done before anyone else so it will be pressed before anyone else.
Was that before it was even announced? Since I'€™m not sure how long the Making Moves series has been planned.
We didn'€™t announce it for a while after that. Definitely got to happen but when they were saying let'€™s do it, I just pushed for it to be as soon as possible. I mean we definitely weren'€™t ready to do it that soon but we didn'€™t want to wait. If we had waited and didn'€™t do it at Thanksgiving, it wouldn'€™t be till January that we could record. This has been kind of a band for almost four years before doing anything. As soon as TREOS broke up, I was doing this as a thing. It wasn'€™t anything. I just had a few like songs. So to me, it was like, No we'€™re recording it right now. I don'€™t want to take any chances of something happening. So we just got it done and got it out. They did all the other bands after us.
I know! I just interviewed A Great Big Pile of Leaves and I know they'€™re one of the bands that are working on their 7'€ right now. They were really excited about it.
Yeah, those dudes are awesome!

And then obviously a 7'€ is coming out but is this something where a full length record is in the works? Is it something that'€™s possible?
Yeah! We have enough songs to do a full length record because the band has actually existed for almost four years, maybe more but we'€™ve only released two or three covers here and there in random compilations. So I have probably twenty or thirty songs for the band that exist. It'€™s just a matter of like finding the means to release it. Like a record label and all those things. It'€™s an evolving music industry that now makes record labels a bad thing. So one thing is figuring out how to be a band when no one buys records. You don'€™t need record labels but I'€™m kind of stuck in that whole mentality of some one giving you money to record music. So, I don'€™t know! So we have a song and we'€™re going to try and record an album as soon as possible. If some one wants that to happen. If not, I guess we'€™ll find some way. I'€™m trying to avoid the Kickstarter thing as much as possible. I almost did that originally before the Making Moves thing came up but I don'€™t know. The whole idea of that just freaks me out so much. I feel like it'€™s the ultimate end of a career if we tried to do it and no one gave us money. It would be like '€˜Well, okay, no one likes us'€™. Anyone can do an album and I guess now I'€™m so picky and particular that I like to have it a certain way. That'€™s a very long answer to the question. I'€™m sorry.

It'€™s okay! Then obviously you have been tour managing for a while. Pretty sure Dev is some one new for you but obviously Thrice and Motion City. Maybe how do you think being an artist yourself, a veteran, has helped you? I mean I'€™m sure both of those bands are more like peers now.
I mean quickly with people like that you become friends very fast. Stops being so much of a job and it'€™s awesome. It'€™s definitely helped I mean music wise doing the tour managing job. I mean obviously The Company We Keep as it is right now wouldn'€™t exist if I never worked with Motion City. If Justin had never heard the songs. It would definitely still be a band but probably wouldn'€™t be as good. So like that helped a lot. It'€™s great! I'€™ve gotten so many new connections, met new people. It seems, at least so far, to maybe be helping the band to get going. Like having that edge. That I can call in favors and bug people. They think they owe me things or people hopefully like me enough to give us a break.

Then maybe musically for you and softer, what was the first CD or cassette you remember buying as a kid and the first concert you remember going to?
First record I bought?
Yeah, the first record.
The first record I ever remember buying was Pearl Jam. That was the first CD I ever bought I know for sure because I went into this store and there was a whole wall of Pearl Jam CD'€™s and I was so stoked but before that, my first tape I ever bought was Boys II Men. I don'€™t even remember. I think that record was called '€˜Cool and High Harmony'€™ or something like that. Whatever Mo Top Philly was on, I have that tape. It was awesome. First concert, I didn'€™t realize that concerts were cool when I was a kid. My parents were into music but they never went and saw bands play. So the first show I ever went to wasn'€™t until I was like fifteen and I went and saw Reel Big Fish and that was like the first few shows I ever went to were all ska shows.
And do you think those obviously influenced you? At all as a person or as your past bands?
Oh, for sure! I was so punk. I hated everything. I used to play sports. I quit all sports because I was so punk. It'€™s like the biggest regret of my life because I'€™m not still actually playing sports because I was too cool. When you'€™re a young punk rocker, you hate everything. You'€™re too cool for anything but you can'€™t tell anyone not to do anything. So I stopped from doing anything I actually liked back then and just got into that.
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